"He told me by showing up to my door as a wolf and flattening me," he points out flatly. Never mind that Iris spoiled the surprise, that had still been jarring as hell.
"So he didn't ask me, no. He didn't even tell me he was considering it, even before he got the actual deal. But I spent the entire year on Flotilla with Lark and the pack, so he at least had some idea of how I might react. Because- yes, alright, I'll gladly admit Jon is constantly jumping headfirst into new things without thinking," he adds, readily. "I'm not an idiot, I know far better than you that he's not fucking perfect. But even if you hate it, especially if you hate it, you've got to fucking tell him that. Before it turns into this."
With a sharp, expansive gesture at this whole situation.
"Ooh, lucky you, I spent my entire time in Flotilla in jail," he bluntly points out. "With someone I love who, coincidentally, got fucked over by the very same pack dynamics you all are so quick to defend."
Dorian shakes his head before lighting up a second cigarette, just blatantly chain smoking now.
"But fine. I'll tell him that I miss the old Jon and don't like what he's become and everybody gets to go on their merry way. I'll be the monster you say I'm not and break his heart. Is that what you want?"
He lifts a hand to rub his face. "I just want you to use your fucking words, Dorian. Without going straight for the throat because it's easier than telling him he upset you. Dragging him down doesn't make you happier, it just makes you both more miserable, and I know you're smarter than that."
He rubs his hands briefly, fiddling uncertainly for a moment before he plows on.
"I'm not gonna apologise for punching you, because I did warn you about that one," he points out. "But I did come at this... strong. And stupid." He sighs again, more gently this time. "I don't hate you, Dorian. I want to keep being your friend, and you know I don't give a shit what Jon thinks about that. But-- I dunno." Everything else is just gonna sound like a guilt trip now, even with his more even tones. "You're not a fucking monster. Don't act like one. That's just being lazy, and not in the fun hedonistic way."
Dorian stands his ground, partly because he does not want to show weakness, partly because he's trying his hardest not to let out a scoff at that monster comment. He is a monster. It's just that everybody else refuses to realize it. So he takes that moment to take in what Tim's saying before he continues with,
"You know, I almost was a werewolf once," he points out. "True story. I was mauled by one in Iceland, back in 2009. For whatever reason, it took my portrait a while to work the lycanthropy out of it's system."
He takes a pause, mostly to take a drag on his cigarette before continuing with, "It changes you, Tim. More than just going feral every full moon and shedding on your couch, it changes your personality. It's already changed Jon—and don't say it hasn't, I saw him at port. And we're supposed to just be fine with that."
"You've always known him as miserable," he corrects - and it's gentle, again, because there's no way Dorian could have known any different. "It's not like you, Dorian, or half the bloody vampires in this place. Jon didn't choose it, he didn't want it. He made the best of a situation that he was tricked and forced into - and when I died, he still didn't even fully know what was happening to him. Being the Archivist is the culmination of literally every shitty thing that ever happened to him working in the Archives."
There's a pause. Dorian takes another drag of his cigarette because wow, was that supposed to make him feel better? It doesn't! It makes him feel like garbage! And makes him even more convinced that this probably won't work out, if it was just the depressed, traumatized Jon that Dorian fell for.
Though there is one thing that Dorian will correct Tim on. He shakes his head slightly before pointing out, "And yet I think he wants to be the Archivist more than you realize."
For someone who supposedly didn't want to be in that situation, Jon sure as hell made a series of choices to further dive down into it. You know where's a good place for someone who's trying not to feed an eldritch entity based on a desire for knowledge to work? Literally any place that isn't the library.
"Other way around," Tim comments dryly. "He wouldn't have been such a good Archivist if he wasn't already like that. Jonathan Sims is, before any other thing, a big fucking nerd. I met him in Research, where he'd already been for years. That part of him that's a busybody that wants to know everything, all the time, forever? That was already very real."
"That doesn't change the fact that he still did things that suggested he was slightly buying what the Eye was selling." Dorian points to himself with the hand that isn't holding a cigarette as he continues to talk, "If you want to fuck over the Ceaseless Watcher? Don't make friends with a blatant narcissist who's a supernatural buffet. I liked what he did as the Archivist and he knew it. So no, don't tell me that being the Archivist was the worst thing ever and poor Jon was just miserable all the time when he ran to me with open arms."
"'cos what do I know about supernatural bullshit, right?" He's trying not to get pissed but the dismissal is frustrating. "It's not like I didn't give him a statement about being an avatar of the End from one of the earliest floods I ever had. About how I know what it's like leaning into your entity and finding ways to please it. That I'm not the one who fucking told Jon to find ways to feed the Eye that didn't mean sacrificing himself."
He points at Dorian in a sharp jab. "And don't you dare try some pity-me ploy about how he didn't love you if he was willing to feed you to the Eye, because I know he would have fought you tooth and nail before he'd even consider letting you do that for him."
Dorian finishes his second cigarette, stubbing it out on the floor, just blatantly littering. He takes a moment to take a breath before looking Tim dead on.
"Is that how you think? Oh, Dorian's being dramatic, Dorian just wants pity. Woe is him, go feel sorry for the immortal. I can count on one hand the number of people who give me the pity you think I crave and who don't treat me like the Barge's pet idiot."
"I think you're a fucking coward," he barks, a sharp snap of patience finally frayed. "Maybe stop brushing everything off and condescending everyone that tries to empathise with you!"
"I know I'm a fucking coward!" Dorian snaps back. "I know that! And if you're trying to empathize with me, you're doing an amazingly shit job at it. You punched me in the face, Tim!"
"I warned you about hurting him!" he shoots back immediately. "Word for word I would punch you in the fucking face! And yet I'm still here, aren't I, I haven't just bloody well fucked off and given you the silent treatment over it! Because I still think you deserve the minimum fucking effort of a genuine explanation!"
Dorian goes silent for a bit, obviously grappling between two different options. After a moment and a small huff, 'trying to de-escalate and not fucking off' wins out.
"Honestly, the biggest surprise is that you haven't punched me in the face before now. I'm not...it would have happened eventually. I'm good at hurting people and not good at lasting relationships."
Tim's temper always burns hot and fast, if he doesn't let it bank and turn into a seemingly-eternal grudge. So he settles quickly, letting Dorian find his words as he takes a moment to breathe through his own flared temper.
Not that he likes what he hears, but it's still a kind of progress. So he's calm when he replies.
"You make it sound like you come into a relationship expecting to fuck it up. That it's just, like. A matter of time. Inevitable."
"Obviously," Dorian says, with a little shrug. "That's how it happens most of the time. Either I fuck it up or something happens to end it before I can fuck it up."
God, they really are a pair. Of idiots, but still.
"Look, I'm not gonna be trite and accuse you of not trying, when you're in one, but it seems an awful lot like you take relationships for granted, what with staring at the rug the entire time to see when it gets pulled out from under you."
Dorian furrows his brow, obviously taking a bit of offense at that statement. "Of course I'm not taking them for granted. I just know that they won't last long. Might as well enjoy what I have when I have it before something happens."
"You know that's not helping your argument, right?" Dorian why are you like this. "Might as well not bother with relationships at all, if they're gonna crash and burn. Save yourself the effort."
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"So he didn't ask me, no. He didn't even tell me he was considering it, even before he got the actual deal. But I spent the entire year on Flotilla with Lark and the pack, so he at least had some idea of how I might react. Because- yes, alright, I'll gladly admit Jon is constantly jumping headfirst into new things without thinking," he adds, readily. "I'm not an idiot, I know far better than you that he's not fucking perfect. But even if you hate it, especially if you hate it, you've got to fucking tell him that. Before it turns into this."
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Dorian shakes his head before lighting up a second cigarette, just blatantly chain smoking now.
"But fine. I'll tell him that I miss the old Jon and don't like what he's become and everybody gets to go on their merry way. I'll be the monster you say I'm not and break his heart. Is that what you want?"
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"Fair enough."
He rubs his hands briefly, fiddling uncertainly for a moment before he plows on.
"I'm not gonna apologise for punching you, because I did warn you about that one," he points out. "But I did come at this... strong. And stupid." He sighs again, more gently this time. "I don't hate you, Dorian. I want to keep being your friend, and you know I don't give a shit what Jon thinks about that. But-- I dunno." Everything else is just gonna sound like a guilt trip now, even with his more even tones. "You're not a fucking monster. Don't act like one. That's just being lazy, and not in the fun hedonistic way."
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"You know, I almost was a werewolf once," he points out. "True story. I was mauled by one in Iceland, back in 2009. For whatever reason, it took my portrait a while to work the lycanthropy out of it's system."
He takes a pause, mostly to take a drag on his cigarette before continuing with, "It changes you, Tim. More than just going feral every full moon and shedding on your couch, it changes your personality. It's already changed Jon—and don't say it hasn't, I saw him at port. And we're supposed to just be fine with that."
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"You never met him before he was spooky, did you? He told me he first came here not long before the Unknowing."
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Though there is one thing that Dorian will correct Tim on. He shakes his head slightly before pointing out, "And yet I think he wants to be the Archivist more than you realize."
For someone who supposedly didn't want to be in that situation, Jon sure as hell made a series of choices to further dive down into it. You know where's a good place for someone who's trying not to feed an eldritch entity based on a desire for knowledge to work? Literally any place that isn't the library.
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He points at Dorian in a sharp jab. "And don't you dare try some pity-me ploy about how he didn't love you if he was willing to feed you to the Eye, because I know he would have fought you tooth and nail before he'd even consider letting you do that for him."
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"Is that how you think? Oh, Dorian's being dramatic, Dorian just wants pity. Woe is him, go feel sorry for the immortal. I can count on one hand the number of people who give me the pity you think I crave and who don't treat me like the Barge's pet idiot."
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"Honestly, the biggest surprise is that you haven't punched me in the face before now. I'm not...it would have happened eventually. I'm good at hurting people and not good at lasting relationships."
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Not that he likes what he hears, but it's still a kind of progress. So he's calm when he replies.
"You make it sound like you come into a relationship expecting to fuck it up. That it's just, like. A matter of time. Inevitable."
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"Look, I'm not gonna be trite and accuse you of not trying, when you're in one, but it seems an awful lot like you take relationships for granted, what with staring at the rug the entire time to see when it gets pulled out from under you."
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