Terribly sorry that I don't want the help from someone who solves problems that only he thinks exist via incineration. I'm sure that Florian's getting nothing but pats on the backs and 'good job, kiddo!' from everybody. But some of us actually like Envy.
So yes, I rejected his help. Because frankly? He's the fucking problem.
Even though this entire cycle wouldn’t have started at all if Johann hadn’t decided to help Envy create a black hole that killed and injured multiple people.
I’m glad to know that’s where your thought process is.
Johann killed two people because Envy asked him to. Not for fun. Not because he could. But because a friend, someone who he actually gives a shit about who he's not magically entwined with, asked him for help and he said yes. Honestly, I consider that a step in the right direction for him.
Then everything went to shit, Florian died, then Florian horrifically murdered his friend. No wonder Johann wants to not deal with attachments right now! Because what Florian wants, Florian does, and Johann's just along for the ride.
I am glad you keep your opinions to yourself most of the time, Dorian, since I can only imagine what some of our erstwhile, heroic-minded colleagues would say to that. First, that Florian had no right to establish a boundary, when no one is entitled to touch another person without their consent. Then, Johann murdered two people, but his actions - according to you - had nothing to do with the resulting collateral damage. And it’s fine because he ‘made a friend’.
I appreciate your honestly, but I think this conversation has gone as far as it’s going to.
He helped someone, [ Dorian points out, already a little tired. ] Do I wish it was something different? Obviously. But Johann, someone with a low opinion of people, someone who spent the majority of his life alone, who would happily ignore the Barge just for Florian, helped someone when they asked him.
You and I both know that Johann and Florian need support and a friends group larger than each other and us. And you and I also both know that out of the two? It'll be harder for Johann.
That's also why I'm pissed about the whole boundary thing. He made it so Johann couldn't even touch the one person on the ship he gives a fuck about. No wonder Johann's drawing into himself - the last thing he would want is Florian to do that again. Time to be meek and docile and helpful and not push any buttons.
“Helping someone” does not absolve him of the rest of it, Dorian.
And it’s interesting to me that your only focus is Johann’s pain when Florian was killed because of his stupidity.
Why would Florian want to be touched? What right did Johann have to touch him in that moment when Florian already told him not to? When trust had already been broken?
He did not even know he could command Johann in such a way, but the fact of the matter is, Johann should have accepted ‘no’ as a complete and whole answer from the start. And if Florian hadn’t managed to give that command, I would have dragged Johann out myself for refusing to accept a boundary Florian was trying to establish when he was sick and hurting.
Caring about someone also means respecting their boundaries, and Johann has made a habit of pushing those where Florian is concerned.
Your coddling him on this point is not helpful at all because it’s one of the issues with their relationship. Not the only one, but one of them.
And frankly I don’t believe you’re the least bit concerned about Florian expanding his friend ground because when he reached out to you, you shot him down in the most insensitive way possible.
I did not do that when Johann came to visit. Even though I was displeased with him, I spoke with him civilly and offered him what solace I could. I am still planning to be interact with him and be helpful where I can because I am a similar sort of creature to him, and he needs that.
You did not do anything of the sort for Florian. Instead, you criticized and mocked him when he was trying to reach out to you and work with you. So you’ll forgive me if I don’t especially place much stock in what you say at this point since you are deliberately, childishly antagonistic towards him.
If you think I’m pleased about his death, I’m not. But that isn’t really the point.
If I think I can’t help an Inmate or see that interactions between us would only go poorly, I engage as little as possible, if ever at all.
I don’t make an ass of myself pretending I want to be helpful and then do the exact opposite.
So you can deflect all you like, but I’m not making anyone else’s job harder. Or actively sabotaging Inmates’ chances at graduating - even the ones I dislike - just to satisfy my pettiness.
Need I remind you, Florian was the one who messaged me. And I'd hardly call this deflecting. Annoyed by your holier than thou ass, absolutely. Here comes Archer! Saint of the Barge, the man who never fucks up!
Anything useful you want to add or is this going to be nothing but chastisement?
In that case? You picked the wrong job. Not just because of me, but because of the fact that we're a ship full of problem children on both sides, faced with potential trauma like clockwork. The Barge's existence is antithetical to the idea of fresh, clean grass with no interruptions and no problems.
And as touched as I am that you’re concerned for my welfare, I assure you - I can and will continue to handle this job until I have all the deals I need.
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He came to you offering to work with you, and you effectively spit in his face.
Which is why you will no longer be dealing with him. Only with me.
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So yes, I rejected his help. Because frankly? He's the fucking problem.
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Even though this entire cycle wouldn’t have started at all if Johann hadn’t decided to help Envy create a black hole that killed and injured multiple people.
I’m glad to know that’s where your thought process is.
It saves me a great deal of time.
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Then everything went to shit, Florian died, then Florian horrifically murdered his friend. No wonder Johann wants to not deal with attachments right now! Because what Florian wants, Florian does, and Johann's just along for the ride.
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I am glad you keep your opinions to yourself most of the time, Dorian, since I can only imagine what some of our erstwhile, heroic-minded colleagues would say to that. First, that Florian had no right to establish a boundary, when no one is entitled to touch another person without their consent. Then, Johann murdered two people, but his actions - according to you - had nothing to do with the resulting collateral damage. And it’s fine because he ‘made a friend’.
I appreciate your honestly, but I think this conversation has gone as far as it’s going to.
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Will you let me explain more or are you content letting me be the bad guy?
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But go ahead. Enlighten me.
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You and I both know that Johann and Florian need support and a friends group larger than each other and us. And you and I also both know that out of the two? It'll be harder for Johann.
That's also why I'm pissed about the whole boundary thing. He made it so Johann couldn't even touch the one person on the ship he gives a fuck about. No wonder Johann's drawing into himself - the last thing he would want is Florian to do that again. Time to be meek and docile and helpful and not push any buttons.
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And it’s interesting to me that your only focus is Johann’s pain when Florian was killed because of his stupidity.
Why would Florian want to be touched? What right did Johann have to touch him in that moment when Florian already told him not to? When trust had already been broken?
He did not even know he could command Johann in such a way, but the fact of the matter is, Johann should have accepted ‘no’ as a complete and whole answer from the start. And if Florian hadn’t managed to give that command, I would have dragged Johann out myself for refusing to accept a boundary Florian was trying to establish when he was sick and hurting.
Caring about someone also means respecting their boundaries, and Johann has made a habit of pushing those where Florian is concerned.
Your coddling him on this point is not helpful at all because it’s one of the issues with their relationship. Not the only one, but one of them.
And frankly I don’t believe you’re the least bit concerned about Florian expanding his friend ground because when he reached out to you, you shot him down in the most insensitive way possible.
I did not do that when Johann came to visit. Even though I was displeased with him, I spoke with him civilly and offered him what solace I could. I am still planning to be interact with him and be helpful where I can because I am a similar sort of creature to him, and he needs that.
You did not do anything of the sort for Florian. Instead, you criticized and mocked him when he was trying to reach out to you and work with you. So you’ll forgive me if I don’t especially place much stock in what you say at this point since you are deliberately, childishly antagonistic towards him.
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Anything else you want to yell at me about?
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If you can’t pull your head out of your own ass long enough to do your job properly?
Don’t say anything. Because when you do, you leave a mess for the rest of us to clean up.
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You're just as petty as the rest of us.
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If I think I can’t help an Inmate or see that interactions between us would only go poorly, I engage as little as possible, if ever at all.
I don’t make an ass of myself pretending I want to be helpful and then do the exact opposite.
So you can deflect all you like, but I’m not making anyone else’s job harder. Or actively sabotaging Inmates’ chances at graduating - even the ones I dislike - just to satisfy my pettiness.
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Anything useful you want to add or is this going to be nothing but chastisement?
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I’m not a saint, either. I am a tired old man sick of people taking a shit on my lawn.
So you can go drink or whatever it is you do to make yourself feel less miserable. I’ve said what I wanted to say.
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You will always be tired.
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And as touched as I am that you’re concerned for my welfare, I assure you - I can and will continue to handle this job until I have all the deals I need.
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[ But he's grumpy and irritated by just about everybody so after that, he'll cut the feed. ]